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If you go the their web site and select MEDIA INFO then OPERATIONAL DOCUMENTS. Review MASTER PLAN then review THREE YEAR BUSINESS PLAN.
I think you will pretty much find that it's all about what they can do the total space to generate more money it will become pretty clear it's not about groups like HA(L)-3 any more.
I wouldn't be making any bets on seeing the ROH put back up.
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How about looking at moving it to another Naval museum? Preferably somewhere near Patriots Point?
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I will be sending another message to them the first of the month... they said that in a month it would be done if there were no other problems. If it's not... an all out campaign should be done and just bug the hell out of them. If it's all about money and they aren't putting it back up then a good media blitz might be a good idea.
Rick... there was talk before about moving it to the Midway... If it's possible to get all of the display from them then the cost of moving it would have to be figured out.
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It's just to bad the NAVY does not move it to an Air Museum...I agree Morriss, make no bets about seeing it back up on/at the Yorktown...
Howard, "BZ" for your efforts...rattle away Wolf.!
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After having looked thru the Master plan and 3 year plan for Patriots Point and the The Yorktown, My impression is that they seem very focused on revenue enhancements. Not saying good or bad, but is a need to stay in business. Did not see much reference to anything that could sound like our ROH display.
From the comments posted it looks like the majority talked about seeing more of the ship itself and less of the displays. There just did not seem to be as much interest in things that are not the ship. I am inclined to say we move it to some where more appropriate and more welcome. Sadly our 44 KIA monument is located at the Vietnam Experience and kind of ties in to the ROH. How much ownership do we actually have of the ROH display and contents and can we move it legally as well as financially? Would we possibly run into same lack of enthusiasm at some other local at a later time. I have heard the Seal Museum in Florida may be interested, and would probably be a good choice for a long time home.
Just my two cents.
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I dont believe the Seawolves or the Navy have any say about thr ROH, I blieve it is owned by th Patriots Point Museum.
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Kind becomes a mute point if they own and have total control over it. We can comment and push all we want but it is their "bat" and they can do with it what they want in their own game of life.
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Lee.... if that is the case.... then maybe showing our displeasure with what has happened be made public. Get a post on their local paper... send info to any and all Navy organizations that we can about what has happened. There are a lot of deserving Brothers out there that waiting to be inducted and some that have passed waiting. I will send my question about the display the first of next month and see what happens. If it's not going to go up... I will post often with my displeasure on their site... then I'll see how long it takes them to block me.
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Walt, I think the term "Owned" does not apply here ----- it was "hosted" by the Yorktown ---- They were PAID to put up the exhibit --- no money out of their pocket. It was paid for by, I believe, Captain Schultz . The receptions were PAID by the ROH inductees. The induction ceremony was , I believe, also a paid for footage by the inductees . The plaques were paid for by the inductees ........ The Yorktown had ZIP as near as I can tell, out of their own pockets . At this time, I believe we have given the Yorktown more than enough time to get'er'done ........ I see no resolution that continues the Yorktown as hosts ----- it is time to move on and see what we can do ------- Midway would be nice, but are they space available and willing ? once again, we do not represent carrier aviation soooooo .....
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I forgot what we had paid for with this display... does that include the memorial too? I like the idea about the SEAL museum but not sure how that would go over. It would be a shorter haul for everything to get there and expenses would be lower than going to California but anywhere besides the Yorktown. I know Barry was really doing his best with this issue and I appreciate all his efforts and time spent to get things resolved. If there were more working with Barry I'm sorry for not mentioning who they were because I can't remember for sure. Probably need a plan in the works which will take a little time and we could discuss it at the reunion in Savannah.
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In reply to this post by Mke Dobson "Ten Bears"
When choosing to move the ROH please remember the ROH has inducted military representing WWII, Korea, Vietnam and the middle eastern war eras (probably missed some sorry). I believe and support 'Ten Bears' on this issue. The York Town is making us like beggars concerning this issue. I believe we should take our stuff and permission concerning the ROH to move to another location. I keep having memories of the founder of ROH and Captain Schultz when considring what to do with this matter. There are Naval Museums on the coasts utilizing various carriers and other ships. I believe they are civilian administered museums. Has anyone contacted the U.S. Navy museum in Washington, D.C. about this issue? If it is moved someone is going to have to step up and administer it to at least the level that Captain Schultz did. As far as the Midway representing carrier aviation/life, they do have a Naval gunship aboard. Maybe they go beyond carrier aviation. Heck, I went to a squadron aboard Midway after HA(L)-3!
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just a thought - How about the Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola?
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We will definitely need more than one suggestion for a new location if the powers to be at Patriots Point don't have a problem with it. If anyone lives close to the suggested locations it would be a good idea if they could approach that location to see what their opinion is of the move. Then the suggested site with info on the site could be discussed at the Reunion. I would like to see the memorial moved along with the ROH display and I would imagine moving the helicopter would be a major task too. Just throwing out my thoughts.
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Should we not start with Patriots Point and find out if we can get ownership of ROH and material from them first?
Seems like the rest is a no go without being able to get the material from them.
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Check Mike Dobson's post above...
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----=SW10, you are thinking like we are ---pensacola would be a fantastic venue and o top it off, there is a helicopter community there , not to mention the fact that every naval aviator sees Pensacola at some time ! We have members all around Pensacola, and a Helicopter that we Seawolves presented to the museum. I like the way you think Mike !!
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I really like the sound of Naval Aviation Museum guys. You got to think about who will keep this up as long as possible when we are gone........Who better than this group. And having helicopter community aboard will be a big plus in our favor for the long run.
I don't know how you could stack the deck in our favor any better!!
I'd be happy to be with the SEALS but we need to stand on our own and not ride on the coat tails of others. We have full respect of SEALS and I for one would like to keep that.
I'd like to be remembered as a brother in the end by those guys.
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# of visitors per year at venues mentioned, Patriots point 270,000 per year,,, Seal museum 60,000,, USS Midway Over 1 million per year and we have a docent Gary ely aboard and many seawolves in the Area to see its taken care of, We have a Gunship on deck, And hc7 has a ready room with Seawolf items in it, a 2 day MEET THE AVIATORs event is held aboard each year and the gunship is the most popular display, and for that event there are over 7,000 viewers aboard and gets bigger every year.
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